I work for a global, well known company and we always have online calls and we never have our cameras on (weve got folks overseas, incl at places w horrible cell or internet service weve had calls occur while members are in an airport). However, it can also cause stress because there is no guarantee of how long it will continue. It doesnt really matter what else theyre doing with their time, if theyre being paid and they arent doing the job, thats a problem. I would certainly not hesitate to explain it if someone mentioned I looked distracted. Surely in any real job that required someone to be working most of the time youd notice within a day if someone spent time writing fanfict, which is time consuming. I have a coworker who will 100% fail to remember where stuff lives, despite being told where: in Chat, in emails, shared links, screenshots, being taught how to pin it, make it a favourite and even moving it to a Teams site where it is the only place it lives and almost the only document in that Team site so she can easily find it. Some sort of dedication to having as much as possible by maximizing every second? Youre less likely to be caught if you switch companies every few weeks. Her colleagues have observed a pattern of her frequently looking at a second laptop (the company did not provide her with this equipment) while on video calls. Bigamists are fascinating, too. Sorry Im just in a position where part of my job involves referencing documents sometimes, and every time I think i understand how it works, it changes, or it turns out its not updated, or things arent labeled in a way that makes them easy to find/recognize, and just ARLJKSFLKJFDSLJ I got enough crap to do without going on constant scavenger hunts and Im at the throw up my hands and ask the person asking me to tell me what study it is and please attach the document or link phase right now. If they are meeting expectation with 4 hours of work that is all the work they need to do. There are many, many, many things people do for money on an informal basis. Yes. Petting the dog, watching TV, things like that are a very different ballgame from performing another employers work while reporting to you that theyre performing work for you. How Does Severance and Vacation Pay Affect Unemployment? And all the possibilities you listed are second jobs. Yes! U.S. Its also possible that prospective employers may contact staff at your previous place of employment using informal channels. I almost NEVER need to put in more than 3-4 hours of work on a single day. Good point. Somewhat random thought, but if there were a policy against working another job on your work hours, could HR run a work number check to see if Ariels SSN came up for another company? If Im paying you to be present and engaged during a meeting, and youre actually working your other job during that meeting, then yes, you are taking something from me. Sheriff Grady Judd is briefing the media regarding the arrests of twelve people in a family-run drug trafficking operation in Winter Haven called Operation Family Affair. If that level of performance isnt sufficient to keep the job, thats enough of a reason to fire them. Being on camera is not insane (what?). Yeah, I mean, if you have flexible enough schedules that you truly arent shirking your responsibility to either job, then I dont think its unethical. If exempt salary, there may be more flexibility (depending on the employer and culture) and the output matters more than the time spent. As such, you should avoid becoming obsessed with your second job and instead focus on enjoying yourself. Citizens Advice Bureau If you're job hunting, you need to know what a prospective employer can legally discover about you. However, you can do a few things to make sure your secret side hustle stays just thata secret. You dont get compensated for working on those things because you are already getting paid to have your time available. In this article, we answer the most frequently answered questions about quitting your job before finding a new one. Can they find out where you worked previously and for how long you held each job? The first found out when the payment for the second came out on their income taxes and the worker was fired. I was curious if there are enough examples of poor performance to actually put her on a PIP or if theyre just reaching. Employers often try to verify employment history through background checks. Just pointing out sometimes its a breach of contract. "File Your First Claim for Benefits. It would be my bosss job to decide if my lack of enthusiasm and dedication translated into a performance problem or if those qualities werent actually necessary to do the job I was being paid to do. That should answer your question. And they get a full time reasonable enough salary meanwhile other jobs work extremely hard for very little. For context, this is at a pretty well-known company in the Bay Area with all the perks, benefits, and six-figure compensation package that comes with it. Ive had to work on my personal computer several times. Your employer pays you for your time and labor; if you happen to be efficient and finish your work in fewer than 8 hours/day, youre still engaged by that company to be available when needed. It doesnt sound like the article gave them anything tangible at all just a distracting sense that its somehow important to find out exactly what this employee is up to before taking action. Could you share more details?) or related posts could signal that youre looking to make a move. I just suspect it might not be the case here, so I would not lead with that. And assuming that neither job has a rule or contractual clause precluding it, no conflict of interest, etc. (sorry doing a bad job and just denying it rather than fixing it seems grounds for termination to me). A place for employees to ask questions about compensation, benefits, harassment, discrimination, legal, and ethical issues in the workplace. They then thoroughly investigate your resume and references to ensure everything matches up. Because someone I had ended a friendship with 6 years earlier (due to a lot of creepy behavior and bad treatment of me), who would contact me about once every two years (usually with some horrible joke), sent me a text with the picture of my home that he took from his car. The position wasnt front-facing, no customers ever came to that office, and my cube walls hid me entirely from sight of any coworker. Whats your argument about not overlapping hours? It made sense, it was just badly translated. Much, much later he said hed been pulled into an MLM and had been trying desperately to sell enough to recoup his losses and the boss pulling him upon his work made him realise that he couldnt do that AND keep his job. It requires the persons authorization; you cant do it without their permission. The one where you warrant to an employer that theyll have your mostly-undivided attention during a certain set of core hours, get paid accordingly, and then dont hold up your end of the deal. But I had an office job similar to that, and I wasnt even allowed to read a book at my desk. If bosses were always right, Alison would be out of a job. What about if there was one job that was salaried butt-in-seat one and another which paid by work done? Again some people dont update their profile that often even if they are going online to read articles etc. It very much depends on the industry. Before remote work was a thing , I worked at two companies where highly compensated employees were employed by two companies at the same time , during the same 8 hour period .They were eventually caught as they were observed over time going back and forth between the buildings of their dual employers. Other people at my full-time job will leave for their kids stuff, take naps, etc, to ensure everything is taken care of. I imagine there was a lot of my dad quoting what was said on the phone and proving he was the client. A lot of people are convinced that their day job is whats holding them back from being MLM millionaires. I understand that tax codes might be reported to my job and that they may be different than that of those who don't work two jobs. I know some people in professional roles work really hard. Then try and get endorsed for those same skills. Without getting into what is or isnt stealing, the first situation you describe is absolutely one that the employer would have every right to be unhappy about. Fresh hires might have a lot of training that theyre not expected to get through swiftly, so I see how far more than a few hours could be slipping through the cracks. Even keyboards that are just keyboards cant take that for long, and laptop keyboards, urgh. Dont use email to communicate about your second job. Make sure she understands clearly what she must do. It gets frustrating. I can translate 2000 words competently in a morning, and when its something repetitive like a fashion catalogue, or a software manual, or yet another press release about ongoing building works at an airport, competent is fine. (That said, there are lots of other things she could be doing, but thats not the real issue, so it isnt helpful to speculate.). These are all red flags that could cost him money. If I looked at the screen too long, I would feel dizzy and want to vomit. Had your friend tried to talk to Ariel about the performance issues? If they dont, the way to correct this is not to ban eating and peeing for everyone else, as you seem to be calling for. The fact that this miracle employee can get that done in 4 hours instead of 8 doesnt mean they are entitled to extra work from them (well unless they are willing to pay them more anyway). Yeah, I agree the reason for the poor performance does make a difference. Funny story we found out one of the paralegals in our firm was working elsewhere as a secretary (in addition to working for our firm) when the attorney she worked for at the second firm emailed one of our attorneys about scheduling and asked her to contact said paralegal/secretary. There is also a no conflict of interest policy so certain types of 2nd jobs are not allowed. The Dept of Labor won'. If you submit your application before July 1, and it is approved, you will be issued an effective exemption date of July 1, 2023, regardless of when ESD approves your application. Shes a project manager. Itd be different if she went and updated her profile with a new employer that wasnt her current job. update: if I quit my job when everyone else is quitting, the organization will fall apart, rude instructor comments on our food choices, husband wont wear noise-canceling headphones at home, and more, coworker is always late because she stops for coffee, my boss told me to change my ringtone, and more, updates: unhappy with changes at work, asking to unblock a website, and more. If hourly, then yes, the employer gets the commitment of the time during the paid hours (occasional personal stuff excluded). Can the boss find out that you have been collecting unemployment? Name the problem. Id argue that its only ethical to work on one job while at another job (virutally or physically) if the job youre at knows about it and agrees. No wonder so many young people dont believe in capitalism. Currently, I manage to be a high performer with my current job because I am an incredibly fast reader and writer it cuts hours off the day. Does a wage equate to automatic 100% exclusive commitment of that employees time? Speaking as someone who thinks capitalism sucks, Id argue its not those office jobs that are a con, its yours, and youre the mark. What To Do When an Employer Contests Unemployment Benefits, What To Do After Getting Laid Off or Fired. I definitely think theres something hinky happening with this person- just dont think focusing on its a second job is all that helpful when the manager can easily focus on performance. Your last employer, and possibly other former employers, will be notified that you have filed for unemployment and will verify your dates of employment and earnings. If you're currently employed, you are not eligible for unemployment benefits unless your hours have been reduced or there are other circumstances that have impacted your job. Maybe Ariel is talking to herself as she gives people here Sound Advice they cant actually hear. Former heals / DPS here Id leave you to burn in the fire and thats if youre in my guild or a random in a raid finder. Obviously, they were terminated. Now, I dont mean that to say the employer has to put up with poor output (and its not to say thats whats going on with Ariel). I think thats pretty standard in many organizations. And also, the only issue is that shes distracted and inattentive. The short answer is sort of, but they won't get that information from the government. Yeah, if Im faced with performance issues from a member of staff Ill always give them room to give a reason. This. If it does, it must send you another letter - called an "adverse action" letter - indicating that the decision not to hire you was based on something in your background check, and it must. Do people realise how this comes across to those who are working really hard like nurses or retail workers? Now, still in classes, no panic attacks for a month now and Im back to normal and not doing any of those things. Also, my being on multiple monitors during a meeting doesnt distract me from the actual meeting, because those monitors are things about the meeting that help me make better contributions to the meeting discussion. She occasionally misses the mute button and the dialogue is exactly what we used to hear under her breath in the office (just louder.) Yeah, I dont see why everyone is jumping to assuming a second job. Which is a lot of hours BUT they are unpaid hours so its not two jobs so its fine! If you dont use it a ton thats different. In some cases, this may mean your employer will be deducting premiums from your wages before you are able to provide them a copy of your exemption approval letter. Your employer doesnt always find out about your second job. I binge watch YouTube how to videos as I work and as long as my work is done accurately and in a timely manner my boss could careless. I cant imagine any amount of $$ being worth that! This sounds like the other side of the August 26 update (updates: the exs hostile friend, the bait and switch, and more), where the LW asked, Can I work a second job at my first job if things are slow?. Id melt as soon as I had two meetings scheduled at the same time. More like message the landlord before hes gone home for the day so you arent playing the telephone game with him the rest of the week. Especially if she is actually doing the work she is meant to be doing. Instead, send messages via text messaging apps like WhatsApp. Why? When you sign a job application you are attesting to the fact that you have given the employer all the information they asked for. If her LinkedIN doesnt show the role, what does it show as her current employment? Not saying the OP should immediately go to Do you have a second job? but whether Ariel does or not could be a problem outside of how its affecting her performance. What Information Will Previous Employers Share? Yeah, I dont think the un-updated LinkedIn is a problem in itself. If a senior trusted engineer is saying yes this is a week of work Ill have it done by Friday and it is infact 2.5 days work for someone of their experience, that is not ok. At some point the manager has to make that call though its his job he cant just defer it to the senior engineer no matter how trusted they are. At least he quit the MLM for the regular job. They just got in 2 bloodtype-B moms, I heard. We see nothing but mounting evidence that the expectation of being non-pseudonymous is rife with problems, and yet its easier for advertisers if all our personal information is on facebook, so facebook keeps on with a legal names rule, and other places follow suit. Is it 8 hours of the employees time? After all, why would they pay you to work elsewhere? Can an Employer Disclose That You Were Fired? | Snagajob For example, if you dont want your boss to know when (or how often) youre active on LinkedIn, change your active status in your settings: Visibility > Visibility of your LinkedIn activity > Manage active status > No One. There are some cruisy min wage jobs but generally speaking you work your full hours in many of these roles. Dan said oh yeah the client called but he wasnt interested. I completely agree. The idea that we should have our places of residence and current jobs available under our real names online all the time is kinda bizzare, to be honest. The real problem was the lack of productivity while the person was being paid though. My primary coworker has a habit of narrating everything hes doing to himself. This is common for government agencies, government contractors, & highly regulated industries. works for me.